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ProFromDover commented on a news article Nov 16th 2021, 7:44am
I understand Ms.Perez is a UFlorida commitment.
By Doug Binder, DyeStat Editor The Top 30, 11/4 ...
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ProFromDover
I understand Ms.Perez is a UFlorida commitment.
 
ProFromDover commented on a news article Dec 3rd 2018, 8:41am
Always great to see someone explode onto the scene. Sydney Masciarelli, did that in October. We'll see what the next step is.
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Kevinww
I'm confused. Why is Claudia Lane still on the "Watch List"? She hasn't really raced since the beginning of the season, including the state or regional meets. Clearly she is still on the injured list. Unless there is something that you're aware of or that I've missed, it doesn't make sense that you would put her on this "Watch List," when there aren't any recent results to support this.
Vas2
29. Valerie Lastra is misspelled. Why do people put a 2nd “a” in our name? :)
JStar
I am amazed at how overlooked the performances were of Masciarelli, Starliper, and Connolly at Footlocker Northeast as a whole!?!? At one of the most historical courses in the country these three ran the 4th, 5th, and 10th fastest times ever on this course! You gave Masciarelli the ranking she deserves, but undermined the other two performances. Don't be surprised when you see these three in the top five at Footlocker (and if these three race like they did in the Regional....you may be looking at 1,2, and 3)
ProFromDover
Always great to see someone explode onto the scene. Sydney Masciarelli, did that in October. We'll see what the next step is.
 
ProFromDover commented on a news article Aug 31st 2017, 5:11am
Brilliant list. Shows what a factor underclassman are vis- a -vis Senior girls who should be bigger, faster, stronger, faster.
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ProFromDover
Brilliant list. Shows what a factor underclassman are vis- a -vis Senior girls who should be bigger, faster, stronger, faster.
 
ProFromDover commented on a news article Nov 11th 2013, 7:24pm
"been challenged yet."
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Abbie McNulty probably would have done that. They have a common opponent --Claire Howlett-- with pretty much the same w margin. I don't know much about the regional Nike venues, but they could meet there?

NEPSAC schools have a limited schedule. Shehadeh did beat some college runners and a talent in Samantha Glass for the preppy championship. Both could do well @ FL-NE. Barrett,Weisner,Reilly,Clahane,Shehadeh might look like an early top-5.
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chrisgoode

DougB, on , said:

Chris --

I'd be interested to know why Lauren was 30th last weekend at her sub-section meet. And for that matter, why Fiona O'Keeffe was 11th.

I get that it is a qualifying meet so maybe not a hard effort. Still, kind of puzzling.

I will definitely pay attention to how she does this weekend. Thanks.

http://redcaptiming....ace_08_d1vg.txt


You're right about it not being a hard effort. I believe both Davis and St. Francis tend to take it pretty easy and run together at Sub Sections. If you look at the results you can see that both O'Keeffe and LaRocco finished with many of their teammates. Today will be an interesting race!
DougB
Chris --

I'd be interested to know why Lauren was 30th last weekend at her sub-section meet. And for that matter, why Fiona O'Keeffe was 11th.

I get that it is a qualifying meet so maybe not a hard effort. Still, kind of puzzling.

I will definitely pay attention to how she does this weekend. Thanks.

http://redcaptiming....ace_08_d1vg.txt
chrisgoode

DougB, on , said:

I certainly don't see her as California No. 1. (Keep in mind that while she may have the No. 1 time in the state for 5K, she is No. 28 in the 3-mile and she ran at Mt. SAC. So her true ranking is obviously somewhere in between).

She was seventh-fastest at Mt. SAC. She ran that very fast time at The Other Meet but I have a hard time believing the validity of that distance as 5K when so many PRd by so much. She could possibly be honorable mention, but I'd like to see more.


LaRocco definitely deserves more than an honorable mention. Mt. Sac, while still a good race, was not a one of her better performances. She ran 17:48 at the Bronco Invitational in Folsom at Willow Hill Reservoir. That's a very fast time for that course. Also,the course for The Other Meet IS a true 5k. The course has changed in the past, but the race directors always go over it many times to ensure it's validity. Her times are fast and legit.

Here's a course tour of Granite Regional Park, from start to finish. The Other Meet is held here. Full 5k
300kicks

Bsarno1, on , said:

Which course?

St Paul's Concord NH

To give you a sense Guor Majak was NH State Runner-up that year

1 1 173 Mohamed Hussein NMH 2014 16:06 5:11
New record. Old record 16:11 by Guor Majak of Concord High in 2003
2 2 106 Ian Whittall ANDOVER 2014 16:12 5:13
3 3 143 Tyler Courville � PEA 2014 16:12 5:13
4 4 149 Marco Quaroni HOTCHKISS 2016 16:22 5:16
5 5 144 Samuel Gray � PEA 2014 16:28 5:18
6 6 148 Quincy Tichenor PEA 2015 16:32 5:20

1 1 6 Anoush Shehadeh ANDOVER 2015 17:38 5:41
New record. Old record 18:04 by Anoush Shehadeh of Andover in 2013
2 2 36 Sami Glass � HOTCHKISS 2014 18:20 5:55
3 3 15 Devinne Cullinane � DEERFIELD 2014 19:01 6:08
4 4 77 Caroline Sullivan NMH 2015 19:26 6:16
5 5 68 Olivia Mussafer NOBLES 2015 19:36 6:19
http://www.coolrunni...13NE_set3.shtml
ProFromDover
"been challenged yet."
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Abbie McNulty probably would have done that. They have a common opponent --Claire Howlett-- with pretty much the same w margin. I don't know much about the regional Nike venues, but they could meet there?

NEPSAC schools have a limited schedule. Shehadeh did beat some college runners and a talent in Samantha Glass for the preppy championship. Both could do well @ FL-NE. Barrett,Weisner,Reilly,Clahane,Shehadeh might look like an early top-5.
Bsarno1

300kicks, on , said:

Flying under the radar for most of the season, racing NE Prep School duals.
Anoush Shehadeh PHILLIPS ANDOVER (Larchmont NY) 2015 17:38 5:41 CR
5th @ FLNE in '12
Cream Rising

Which course?
300kicks
Flying under the radar for most of the season, racing NE Prep School duals.
Anoush Shehadeh PHILLIPS ANDOVER (Larchmont NY) 2015 17:38 5:41 CR
5th @ FLNE in '12
Cream Rising
DougB
I actually spoke to Hannah earlier today.

She told me she stayed with the pack for about two miles but then tore off on one of the downhills. I guess there are a couple of hills and then the final mile or so is mostly down.

What is interesting about her -- like some of the other top girls -- is that they haven't really been challenged yet. Hannah thinks she could probably dig a little deeper, although she said New Englands was her biggest effort to date because she had a little bit of rest ahead of it.

"I feel like if there's somebody with me, I could probably push a little bit harder," she said.
Bsarno1
Would love to see splits from DiBalsi at new England's. Video shows her running close to leaders at first post And then with a significant leader at the second Not sure exactly where on course video clips are from but the overall impression is that of a big surge in the middle of the race. Agree that field was exceptional this year with top ten including runners who were national class in track, from 800 to 5k, last spring. They all can't make it to the muddy Meadows or sunny Footlocker although RI girls are on teams, LaSalle and Barrington, who deserve a shot NXN. Northeast has too many good runners. New York and New Jersey results indicate an abundance of talent, but still a lot of racing left in NJ to pare down leaders before national qualifiers. Same for Mass.
There also seems to be plenty of quality in Pennsylvania for starters.
Nationally, however. I do not see anyone, except DiBalsi, displacing the current top six yet. She seemed to have a competitive fire at NBON and in interviews which belies her relative in experience compared to Baxter, Efraimson et al.
And is there another Abby D'Agostino hiding in the pack. After all Abby ranks 65th all time at Franklin Park in Boston.
SteveU
That was a good girls' field and some very impressive times.

DougB, on , said:

That's a 15-second course record of an Erin Sullivan record. Impressive stuff.
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ProFromDover commented on a news article Oct 27th 2013, 7:00pm
Fast times in NJ this week. Josette Norris gets a 17:36 CR but is overshadowed by Briana Gess and her 16:57 in (two plus min's margin)?
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Bsarno1
Often, headline herald someone has posted some "great" time. . This may mean something someone greatly familiar with the course or the meet. Otherwise the time just does not click. Better service to readers and fans in general might be provided to focus on margin of victory, level of competition and, if a course has been used and not changed for at least 5 years, how the winning time compares to the course or event record. I see top 25 or top 40 or 50 lists with times attached to the runners name. Why?
ILDistanceFan

SteveU, on , said:

Yeah, for some reason all the meets in Montana (I think) are 3 miles. Odd. I'm continually surprised how many courses in California are still 3 miles, too.


Illinois, too. (Almost) all 3m, and almost all very flat. In fact, the state meet course at Detweiller is about 2.97. But, the state course is unlikely to change anytime soon, because there is such a long tradition, and there is something to be said for that, too.
SteveU
Yeah, for some reason all the meets in Montana (I think) are 3 miles. Odd. I'm continually surprised how many courses in California are still 3 miles, too.

Tom Keyes, on , said:

I would suggest Montana should consider a change to the State Association handbook to reflect 5k and not 3 miles. Just for the sake of standardization . I was completely under the impression that it was a 5 k course. But having just read the MHSA handbook it appears I was wrong in that assumption.

I stand corrected on the Balboa hyperbole I threw out there. Amateurish on my part.

I think we all agree on one thing, Morely's fast. And she is a clear threat to win FL.
Tom Keyes
I would suggest Montana should consider a change to the State Association handbook to reflect 5k and not 3 miles. Just for the sake of standardization . I was completely under the impression that it was a 5 k course. But having just read the MHSA handbook it appears I was wrong in that assumption.

I stand corrected on the Balboa hyperbole I threw out there. Amateurish on my part.

I think we all agree on one thing, Morely's fast. And she is a clear threat to win FL.
watchout

SteveU, on , said:

Fantastic run and I know Makena is very good (and better than ever this fall), but 16:15-20 at Foot Locker would be well beyond "best-ever" there and I think it's too early to be talking about that. If she runs under 16:50 at FL, I would be extremely impressed (and surprised). That 16:35 IS a 3-mile course, too, not 5k.


Agreed; the Montana State Course in Missoula is ~55 seconds faster than Footlocker Nationals @ Balboa. That puts her in line for a 17:30 before any improvement between now and then (plus added competition) - still very good, but a long ways from a 16:20.

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

Millrose program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.



Ah, yeah, she was pretty good! Ended up running 15:40, 4:33yi, and 4:04 about ten years ago. I think that's top-3 for all former WA Preps in each event.
DontStopPre

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

Millroe program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.


Yep, I remember when she transferred from CO in the spring of 89. She was one hell of a runner. Her joining the Spokane running scene was nice since we just graduated Lisa Dressel (John Dressel's aunt).
Joe Lanzalotto

watchout, on , said:

Sarah Schwald went to school at Mead WA in the spring of '89... not sure when she moved from Colorado (obviously after the XC season), but she was at Mead by the spring.


Millrose program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.
SteveU
Fantastic run and I know Makena is very good (and better than ever this fall), but 16:15-20 at Foot Locker would be well beyond "best-ever" there and I think it's too early to be talking about that. If she runs under 16:50 at FL, I would be extremely impressed (and surprised). That 16:35 IS a 3-mile course, too, not 5k.

Tom Keyes, on , said:

Makena Morely, Big Fork, Montana ran a 16:35 to win the Group B (AA, A, B, C) Montana State Championship. She won the race by OVER 2 minutes. She BOMBED the course. The next fastest time was 17:31 by Aragon in the AA large school race.

If she responds well to competition, she could be in the 16:15 16:20 range at Foot Locker. This girl is crazy good.

I would say the course was a "fast" course in two regards. Conditions were just perfect, sunny 50-55 degrees. The course was not particularly hilly. There was one portion that was a long modest grade uphill, perhaps 1/2 a mile. The rest of the course was generally flat and fast(golf course). Elevation was around 3,200 to 3,300 feet, so not crazy.

Also a great course to view the meet. If you stood at the mile/2-mile mark, the runners came through 4 times. And you could view them on about, I would say, nearly 3/4 of the course. Best course I've seen for viewing. Did a lot of Holmdel NJ time. That is pretty much a start/finish view, unless you have a motorcycle.

Either way, 16:35 is freaking fast.
Tom Keyes
Must have been the CO girl.
watchout

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

Checked my Millrose programs. No girl from Montana has ever won the mile there. Those from outside the northeast are Sarah Schwald (Colorado 1989), Karen Goldlock (North Carolina 1993), Courtney Adams (Indiana 1996), Lindsay Hyatt (California 1998), Sarah Bei (California 2001), Cory McGee (Mississippi 2010).


Sarah Schwald went to school at Mead WA in the spring of '89... not sure when she moved from Colorado (obviously after the XC season), but she was at Mead by the spring.
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ProFromDover commented on a news article Oct 20th 2013, 4:29pm
Nice to see #28 Sarah Feeny run a 17:00.6 to spice up her senior year. (Ut Reg.5).
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dkap

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

I think that those cases were actually settled rather than litigated.


Ah, that would explain it.

Dan
Joe Lanzalotto

dkap, on , said:

Weird, you would think that would set a precedent for all similar cases.

Dan


I think that those cases were actually settled rather than litigated.
dkap

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

I've spoken to attorneys who did in fact handle issues on rules that are related to these and done so successfully in individual cases. Problem is that they applied only to the individuals for whom the attorneys were working.


Weird, you would think that would set a precedent for all similar cases.

Dan
Joe Lanzalotto
I think the reason that these rules and the power of state associations to enforce them last is that athletes only spend 4 years in high school and then move on and when they do their (and their parents') interest is righting the system disappears. Add onto that the fact that most athletes won't care much about being prohibited from outside competition until they are pretty good at it and that usually takes a year or two. So then you end up with a very short window of time when an athlete would be adversely affected by these rules AND in order to challenge them they need to engage the services of an attorney which is never cheap.

I've spoken to attorneys who did in fact handle issues on rules that are related to these and done so successfully in individual cases. Problem is that they applied only to the individuals for whom the attorneys were working. Their opinion - every one of them - was that these rules would not stand up if they were challenged in court but that would take some time and money.

A much simpler way to get it done would be to have the schools in a given state tell the SA that they don't want those kinds of rules. Yeah, that's not simpler nor are the schools ever going to do that.
DougB
This rule got a little bit of notice on the Kansas board when I posted it a month ago.

http://www.kshsaa.or...untry/Week3.cfm


I still think it is ridiculous.
dkap

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

What right does a state association have to tell a kid that s/he can't run in a road race during the season?


That's what I can never figure out. Does no one challenge these rules? I can't imagine they'd withstand much scrutiny... Are athletes in such states signing something that says they agree to give up basic liberties? And do those states even allow minors to sign waivers?

Dan
Joe Lanzalotto

Greg Beal, on , said:

Variations on those types of rules have been in place in California for decades.

My guess for college competition is that the restriction is two-fold: trying to ensure that athletes aren't competing too often, and to dissuade any type of recruiting that could go on by inviting high school athletes to compete in particular college events.

Without special permission, California high school athletes are not allowed to compete in any unsanctioned events during the high school season proper. For runners, that would seem to include local road runs, college meets, all-comers meets, etc.

There are no restrictions on Olympic and other similar qualifying events (though by and large those occur outside the high school season). For runners, there are also no restrictions on summer or winter competitions that occur outside the fall and spring high school seasons.

Penalties seem to be two meets for a first offense; a full year for a second offense.


Really just unbelievable. State associations all over the country are largely alike. Imagine telling someone in the high school band that they couldn't play in another band on the weekends at parties, etc. What right does a state association have to tell a kid that s/he can't run in a road race during the season? Or even in an open meet? The right of might. The schools decide to give the SA authority to tell a kid what s/he can and cannot do and aside from getting a lawyer (and we have enough of that) what can the kid do?
Greg Beal
Variations on those types of rules have been in place in California for decades.

My guess for college competition is that the restriction is two-fold: trying to ensure that athletes aren't competing too often, and to dissuade any type of recruiting that could go on by inviting high school athletes to compete in particular college events.

Without special permission, California high school athletes are not allowed to compete in any unsanctioned events during the high school season proper. For runners, that would seem to include local road runs, college meets, all-comers meets, etc.

There are no restrictions on Olympic and other similar qualifying events (though by and large those occur outside the high school season). For runners, there are also no restrictions on summer or winter competitions that occur outside the fall and spring high school seasons.

Penalties seem to be two meets for a first offense; a full year for a second offense.
dkap

DougB, on , said:

"The WIAA rules state that when a high school athlete competes in a meet against college athletes who are representing their schools in a scored meet, that violates the amateur status for the high school athlete," said Mike Colbrese, executive director for the WIAA.


How does the amateur status of a high school athlete change by running in a race with amateur college athletes?


I've been baffled by that, too. And why does it matter if the college meet is scored or unscored?

Would a WIAA athlete be sanctioned for running against a private HS where student athletes are on scholarship? (Obviously not.) I don't see the difference.

Dan
DougB
"The WIAA rules state that when a high school athlete competes in a meet against college athletes who are representing their schools in a scored meet, that violates the amateur status for the high school athlete," said Mike Colbrese, executive director for the WIAA.


How does the amateur status of a high school athlete change by running in a race with amateur college athletes?
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