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Abbie McNulty probably would have done that. They have a common opponent --Claire Howlett-- with pretty much the same w margin. I don't know much about the regional Nike venues, but they could meet there?
NEPSAC schools have a limited schedule. Shehadeh did beat some college runners and a talent in Samantha Glass for the preppy championship. Both could do well @ FL-NE. Barrett,Weisner,Reilly,Clahane,Shehadeh might look like an early top-5.
DougB, on , said:
I'd be interested to know why Lauren was 30th last weekend at her sub-section meet. And for that matter, why Fiona O'Keeffe was 11th.
I get that it is a qualifying meet so maybe not a hard effort. Still, kind of puzzling.
I will definitely pay attention to how she does this weekend. Thanks.
http://redcaptiming....ace_08_d1vg.txt
You're right about it not being a hard effort. I believe both Davis and St. Francis tend to take it pretty easy and run together at Sub Sections. If you look at the results you can see that both O'Keeffe and LaRocco finished with many of their teammates. Today will be an interesting race!
I'd be interested to know why Lauren was 30th last weekend at her sub-section meet. And for that matter, why Fiona O'Keeffe was 11th.
I get that it is a qualifying meet so maybe not a hard effort. Still, kind of puzzling.
I will definitely pay attention to how she does this weekend. Thanks.
http://redcaptiming....ace_08_d1vg.txt
DougB, on , said:
She was seventh-fastest at Mt. SAC. She ran that very fast time at The Other Meet but I have a hard time believing the validity of that distance as 5K when so many PRd by so much. She could possibly be honorable mention, but I'd like to see more.
LaRocco definitely deserves more than an honorable mention. Mt. Sac, while still a good race, was not a one of her better performances. She ran 17:48 at the Bronco Invitational in Folsom at Willow Hill Reservoir. That's a very fast time for that course. Also,the course for The Other Meet IS a true 5k. The course has changed in the past, but the race directors always go over it many times to ensure it's validity. Her times are fast and legit.
Here's a course tour of Granite Regional Park, from start to finish. The Other Meet is held here. Full 5k
Bsarno1, on , said:
St Paul's Concord NH
To give you a sense Guor Majak was NH State Runner-up that year
1 1 173 Mohamed Hussein NMH 2014 16:06 5:11
New record. Old record 16:11 by Guor Majak of Concord High in 2003
2 2 106 Ian Whittall ANDOVER 2014 16:12 5:13
3 3 143 Tyler Courville � PEA 2014 16:12 5:13
4 4 149 Marco Quaroni HOTCHKISS 2016 16:22 5:16
5 5 144 Samuel Gray � PEA 2014 16:28 5:18
6 6 148 Quincy Tichenor PEA 2015 16:32 5:20
1 1 6 Anoush Shehadeh ANDOVER 2015 17:38 5:41
New record. Old record 18:04 by Anoush Shehadeh of Andover in 2013
2 2 36 Sami Glass � HOTCHKISS 2014 18:20 5:55
3 3 15 Devinne Cullinane � DEERFIELD 2014 19:01 6:08
4 4 77 Caroline Sullivan NMH 2015 19:26 6:16
5 5 68 Olivia Mussafer NOBLES 2015 19:36 6:19
http://www.coolrunni...13NE_set3.shtml
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Abbie McNulty probably would have done that. They have a common opponent --Claire Howlett-- with pretty much the same w margin. I don't know much about the regional Nike venues, but they could meet there?
NEPSAC schools have a limited schedule. Shehadeh did beat some college runners and a talent in Samantha Glass for the preppy championship. Both could do well @ FL-NE. Barrett,Weisner,Reilly,Clahane,Shehadeh might look like an early top-5.
300kicks, on , said:
Anoush Shehadeh PHILLIPS ANDOVER (Larchmont NY) 2015 17:38 5:41 CR
5th @ FLNE in '12
Cream Rising
Which course?
Anoush Shehadeh PHILLIPS ANDOVER (Larchmont NY) 2015 17:38 5:41 CR
5th @ FLNE in '12
Cream Rising
She told me she stayed with the pack for about two miles but then tore off on one of the downhills. I guess there are a couple of hills and then the final mile or so is mostly down.
What is interesting about her -- like some of the other top girls -- is that they haven't really been challenged yet. Hannah thinks she could probably dig a little deeper, although she said New Englands was her biggest effort to date because she had a little bit of rest ahead of it.
"I feel like if there's somebody with me, I could probably push a little bit harder," she said.
There also seems to be plenty of quality in Pennsylvania for starters.
Nationally, however. I do not see anyone, except DiBalsi, displacing the current top six yet. She seemed to have a competitive fire at NBON and in interviews which belies her relative in experience compared to Baxter, Efraimson et al.
And is there another Abby D'Agostino hiding in the pack. After all Abby ranks 65th all time at Franklin Park in Boston.
DougB, on , said:
SteveU, on , said:
Illinois, too. (Almost) all 3m, and almost all very flat. In fact, the state meet course at Detweiller is about 2.97. But, the state course is unlikely to change anytime soon, because there is such a long tradition, and there is something to be said for that, too.
Tom Keyes, on , said:
I stand corrected on the Balboa hyperbole I threw out there. Amateurish on my part.
I think we all agree on one thing, Morely's fast. And she is a clear threat to win FL.
I stand corrected on the Balboa hyperbole I threw out there. Amateurish on my part.
I think we all agree on one thing, Morely's fast. And she is a clear threat to win FL.
SteveU, on , said:
Agreed; the Montana State Course in Missoula is ~55 seconds faster than Footlocker Nationals @ Balboa. That puts her in line for a 17:30 before any improvement between now and then (plus added competition) - still very good, but a long ways from a 16:20.
Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:
Ah, yeah, she was pretty good! Ended up running 15:40, 4:33yi, and 4:04 about ten years ago. I think that's top-3 for all former WA Preps in each event.
Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:
Yep, I remember when she transferred from CO in the spring of 89. She was one hell of a runner. Her joining the Spokane running scene was nice since we just graduated Lisa Dressel (John Dressel's aunt).
watchout, on , said:
Millrose program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.
Tom Keyes, on , said:
If she responds well to competition, she could be in the 16:15 16:20 range at Foot Locker. This girl is crazy good.
I would say the course was a "fast" course in two regards. Conditions were just perfect, sunny 50-55 degrees. The course was not particularly hilly. There was one portion that was a long modest grade uphill, perhaps 1/2 a mile. The rest of the course was generally flat and fast(golf course). Elevation was around 3,200 to 3,300 feet, so not crazy.
Also a great course to view the meet. If you stood at the mile/2-mile mark, the runners came through 4 times. And you could view them on about, I would say, nearly 3/4 of the course. Best course I've seen for viewing. Did a lot of Holmdel NJ time. That is pretty much a start/finish view, unless you have a motorcycle.
Either way, 16:35 is freaking fast.
Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:
Sarah Schwald went to school at Mead WA in the spring of '89... not sure when she moved from Colorado (obviously after the XC season), but she was at Mead by the spring.
Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:
Ah, that would explain it.
Dan
dkap, on , said:
Dan
I think that those cases were actually settled rather than litigated.
Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:
Weird, you would think that would set a precedent for all similar cases.
Dan
I've spoken to attorneys who did in fact handle issues on rules that are related to these and done so successfully in individual cases. Problem is that they applied only to the individuals for whom the attorneys were working. Their opinion - every one of them - was that these rules would not stand up if they were challenged in court but that would take some time and money.
A much simpler way to get it done would be to have the schools in a given state tell the SA that they don't want those kinds of rules. Yeah, that's not simpler nor are the schools ever going to do that.
http://www.kshsaa.or...untry/Week3.cfm
I still think it is ridiculous.
Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:
That's what I can never figure out. Does no one challenge these rules? I can't imagine they'd withstand much scrutiny... Are athletes in such states signing something that says they agree to give up basic liberties? And do those states even allow minors to sign waivers?
Dan
Greg Beal, on , said:
My guess for college competition is that the restriction is two-fold: trying to ensure that athletes aren't competing too often, and to dissuade any type of recruiting that could go on by inviting high school athletes to compete in particular college events.
Without special permission, California high school athletes are not allowed to compete in any unsanctioned events during the high school season proper. For runners, that would seem to include local road runs, college meets, all-comers meets, etc.
There are no restrictions on Olympic and other similar qualifying events (though by and large those occur outside the high school season). For runners, there are also no restrictions on summer or winter competitions that occur outside the fall and spring high school seasons.
Penalties seem to be two meets for a first offense; a full year for a second offense.
Really just unbelievable. State associations all over the country are largely alike. Imagine telling someone in the high school band that they couldn't play in another band on the weekends at parties, etc. What right does a state association have to tell a kid that s/he can't run in a road race during the season? Or even in an open meet? The right of might. The schools decide to give the SA authority to tell a kid what s/he can and cannot do and aside from getting a lawyer (and we have enough of that) what can the kid do?
My guess for college competition is that the restriction is two-fold: trying to ensure that athletes aren't competing too often, and to dissuade any type of recruiting that could go on by inviting high school athletes to compete in particular college events.
Without special permission, California high school athletes are not allowed to compete in any unsanctioned events during the high school season proper. For runners, that would seem to include local road runs, college meets, all-comers meets, etc.
There are no restrictions on Olympic and other similar qualifying events (though by and large those occur outside the high school season). For runners, there are also no restrictions on summer or winter competitions that occur outside the fall and spring high school seasons.
Penalties seem to be two meets for a first offense; a full year for a second offense.
DougB, on , said:
How does the amateur status of a high school athlete change by running in a race with amateur college athletes?
I've been baffled by that, too. And why does it matter if the college meet is scored or unscored?
Would a WIAA athlete be sanctioned for running against a private HS where student athletes are on scholarship? (Obviously not.) I don't see the difference.
Dan
How does the amateur status of a high school athlete change by running in a race with amateur college athletes?