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#1 14 November 2013 01:56 PM
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by Rob "Watchout" Monroe

 

F-M girls reclaim No. 1 ranking


Top 40


1 Fayetteville-Manlius NY (2): New York A State Champion

2 Davis UT (1): Utah 5A State Champion

3 Carmel IN (10): Indiana State Champion

4 Wayzata MN (6): NXN-Heartland Champion

5 Glenbard West IL (31): Illinois 3A State Champion

6 Unionville PA (3): Pennsylvania 3A State Champion

7 Simi Valley CA (5): Marmonte League CA Champion

8 Great Oak CA (9): Southwestern League CA Champion

9 Park City UT (4): Utah 3A State Champion

10 Monarch CO (7): Colorado 5A State Champion

11 Saugus CA (NR): Foothill League CA Champion

12 Pennsbury PA (16): Pennsylvania 3A State Runner-up

13 Bozeman MT (8): Montana 2A State Champion

14 Naperville North IL (30): Illinois 3A State Runner-up

15 Fort Collins CO (11): Colorado 5A State Runner-up

16 Coe-Brown NH (NR): New England Champion

17 Cherry Creek CO (12): Colorado 5A State third place

18 Hamilton Southeastern IN (NR): Indiana State Runner-up

19 Desert Vista AZ (15): Arizona Division 1 State Champion

20 Northville MI (13): Michigan Division 1 State Champion

21 Capistrano Valley CA (21): South Coast League CA Champion

22 Assumption KY (28): Kentucky 3A State Champion

23 East Ridge MN (NR): NXN-Heartland Runner-up

24 Coeur D'Alene ID (19): Idaho 5A State Champion

25 Saratoga Springs NY (22): New York A State Runner-up

26 Bellarmine Prep WA (NR): Washington 4A State Champion

27 Camas WA (NR): Washington 4A State Runner-up

28 Saline MI (18): Michigan Division 1 State Runner-up

29 Columbus North IN (NR): Indiana State third place

30 West Lafayette IN (NR): Indiana State fourth place

31 Avon IN (NR): Indiana State fifth place

32 Xavier Prep AZ (NR): Arizona Division 1 State Runner-up

33 Trabuco Hills CA (25): South Coast League CA Runner-up

34 Davis Senior CA (14): Delta Valley Conference CA Champion

35 St. Francis (Sac) (36): Delta River League CA Champion

36 Summit OR (34): Oregon 5A State Champion

37 Barrington RI (NR): New England Runner-up

38 La Salle Academy RI (17): New England third place

39 New Trier IL (NR): Illinois 3A State third place

40 Sehome WA (NR): Washington 2A State Champion


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#2 14 November 2013 06:53 PM
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Wow..Hoosier power. Top five teams better than any team in NJ, Oregon, downstate NY and LI.
Watched Indian track meet last spring and was impressed.
Only question about Iniana XC is that among top five teams, the no. 4 and 5s posted some big numbers. Have to wait until NXN regional ? To see if that has major impact.
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#3 14 November 2013 07:04 PM
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Poor Unionville is losing a lot of ground just by not racing.
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#4 14 November 2013 07:10 PM
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Or, if you look at it the other way, kudos to Carmel, Wayzata and Glenbard West for running so well lately.
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#5 14 November 2013 07:39 PM
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We agree with Monroe, metrics are always changing. Especially for teams still competing with opportunities to show improvement. I wouldn't say Unionville dropped, I would say F-M, and others have simply shown metrically that they are improving. At the end of the day, NXN2013 will be the best girls championship race in US history and thats just a fact. We all are in agreement, how can FM lose, likewise, look at who surrounds them, has there ever been a deeper, more historic field?
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#6 14 November 2013 08:17 PM
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View Postwatchout, on 14 November 2013 07:10 PM, said:

Or, if you look at it the other way, kudos to Carmel, Wayzata and Glenbard West for running so well lately.


What? Unionville didn't run well at the PA State meet?
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#7 14 November 2013 08:24 PM
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View PostJoe Lanzalotto, on 14 November 2013 08:17 PM, said:

What? Unionville didn't run well at the PA State meet?


Where did I say anything about any team NOT running well at their state meet?

Let me tell you a story.

One day, three athletes lined up to race a mile. Runner A has run 5:05. Runner B has run 5:07, and Runner C has run 5:08. The gun goes off, the athletes race around the track, pushing eachother with Runner A setting a strong pace. Through the first lap, Runner A has a slight lead, and they come through at 77 seconds. Second lap comes and goes, and the pack is still together at 2:33. Coming onto the home stretch on the third lap, they go three wide as they start to get down to business. They cross the line at 3:45, with Runner C tucking in behind before the corner. They hear the crowd cheering behind them as the cross the line, but they aren't cheering only for them - someone else has broken away from the chase pack and is trying to catch up to them: Runner D, who has a PR of 5:01 but has been injured this season and hasn't gone under 5:10 this year. Runner D comes through the line at 3:48, but making up ground fast. On the backstretch, Runner C makes their move, passing Runners A and B while opens up a 7m lead; Runner A and B both respond, with Runner B beginning to make up ground on Runner A; Runner D continuing to desperately try to close the gap. The first three come into the corner a stride apart, but Runner B has the momentum and Runner D is only 5 meters back now. They swing outside and they start to kick. Runner B catches Runner C on the homestretch, but none of the three are out of it and they are all fighting to the line. Runner A pulls even with Runner C, but Runner C is fighting back. Runner A begins to falter, while Runner D is coming on strong! They cross the line: Runner C 4:58.8, Runner B 4:59.1, Runner D 4:59.7, Runner A 4:59.8. PR's all around, and finally breaking that 5:00 barrier. Man, what a race that was!
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#8 14 November 2013 08:43 PM
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View Postwatchout, on 14 November 2013 08:24 PM, said:

Where did I say anything about any team NOT running well at their state meet?

Let me tell you a story.

One day, three athletes lined up to race a mile. Runner A has run 5:05. Runner B has run 5:07, and Runner C has run 5:08. The gun goes off, the athletes race around the track, pushing eachother with Runner A setting a strong pace. Through the first lap, Runner A has a slight lead, and they come through at 77 seconds. Second lap comes and goes, and the pack is still together at 2:33. Coming onto the home stretch on the third lap, they go three wide as they start to get down to business. They cross the line at 3:45, with Runner C tucking in behind before the corner. They hear the crowd cheering behind them as the cross the line, but they aren't cheering only for them - someone else has broken away from the chase pack and is trying to catch up to them: Runner D, who has a PR of 5:01 but has been injured this season and hasn't gone under 5:10 this year. Runner D comes through the line at 3:48, but making up ground fast. On the backstretch, Runner C makes their move, passing Runners A and B while opens up a 7m lead; Runner A and B both respond, with Runner B beginning to make up ground on Runner A; Runner D continuing to desperately try to close the gap. The first three come into the corner a stride apart, but Runner B has the momentum and Runner D is only 5 meters back now. They swing outside and they start to kick. Runner B catches Runner C on the homestretch, but none of the three are out of it and they are all fighting to the line. Runner A pulls even with Runner C, but Runner C is fighting back. Runner A begins to falter, while Runner D is coming on strong! They cross the line: Runner C 4:58.8, Runner B 4:59.2, Runner D 4:59.7, Runner A 4:59.8. PR's all around, and finally breaking that 5:00 barrier. Man, what a race that was!


No, you didn't say Unionville didn't run well at their state meet. However, you did mention that the other teams HAD run well and they moved up past Unionville so let me know where I am being illogical in concluding that you think Unionville didn't run well enough to maintain their position in the rankings.
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#9 14 November 2013 08:54 PM
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View PostJoe Lanzalotto, on 14 November 2013 08:43 PM, said:

No, you didn't say Unionville didn't run well at their state meet. However, you did mention that the other teams HAD run well and they moved up past Unionville so let me know where I am being illogical in concluding that you think Unionville didn't run well enough to maintain their position in the rankings.


Only where you assume that a team has to be seen as not running well in order to drop in the rankings.

Teams can improve, yet drop in the rankings, because other teams are also improving. This is especially true when two or more teams look very similar before the improvement takes place. Movement in the rankings is always a two-way street, but that doesn't mean teams are going in the opposite direction (beyond the number next to their name).
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#10 14 November 2013 10:10 PM
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"Teams can improve, yet drop in the rankings, because other teams are also improving. This is especially true when two or more teams look very similar before the improvement takes place. Movement in the rankings is always a two-way street, but that doesn't mean teams are going in the opposite direction (beyond the number next to their name)."

This is 100% true. I think it is very clear that FM has continually improved, more than that there is also such a thing as continual improvement and Rob is spot on.
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