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Scott Joerger liked a video - Sep 26 2014, 02:31 PM
Burbank junior Candela Fernandez became the Bulldogs first female runner to win a Pacific League race, clocking 17:57.91 on the 3-mile course Thursday at Crescenta Valley Park.
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Scott Joerger commented on a news article - Sep 25 2014, 06:59 PM
Surprised that Claire Graves isn't at least on the bubble given that she finished just 4 seconds behind Williams at Woodbridge and 3 seconds behind Ortega at Great Cow.
By Doug Binder, DyeStat Editor Top Girls Top 30, 9/25 ...
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Joe Lanzalotto
Grace Dwyer merits at least a mention on the watch list.
Chris Nickinson

runhappy, on , said:

Time based ranking. While I understand courses vary, maybe a bit of a stretch to say the times are pointless? Not looking for an argument, just trying to understand what went into the top 30 if 7 of the top 20 runners with the fastest times are excluded.


It's an ok baseline to start from but there are too many variables in cross country to only use times for rankings.
Scott Joerger

DougB, on , said:

Actually Graves IS on the bubble. I think this got pushed into the forum just a little before I was done with it.


Ok great - I actually commented on the article before it went to the forum. Graves is only a soph and has already shown a lot of improvement this season. She's on a trajectory to be a national contender in the next couple of years.
DougB

runhappy, on , said:

Doug, thank you for the explanation. It sounds like you put some good time into this. Over the course of the season, I imagine things get clearer as you gather more data. It will be interesting to see how some of these runners perform at Griak this weekend. Some fast girls in both the Gold and Maroon race.



Exactly. So many big races this weekend -- including Griak -- that this picture should become much clearer by Sunday. Anna French, the Hasz twins, can they beat Samantha Ortega from Saugus? Lots to sort out there.

I understand some other girls have run times that put them high on lists ... but I'm more interested in whether they've beaten anyone on this top 30 list.
DougB

GeorgieTheK, on , said:

Methinks they underestimate her.



I'll be honest with you guys. When I found out she was running for Heritage and she stopped to tie her shoes twice and still almost broke a course record ... I thought wow...maybe I should just insert her at No. 1.

But I talked to her new coach on Monday. He doesn't think she took any sort of rest period after World Juniors. That, combined with a massive adjustment to a new life (and whatever led to it, which I have no idea of), makes me feel like maybe she's not that 9:12 girl right now. She could surely get back to that at some point, but I'm not convinced she's going to blow the doors off everybody this fall. So that's why I decided to go a bit conservative with her. Saturday will reveal more when she runs at the DC XC Invite.
GeorgieTheK

cerutty fan, on , said:

9:12 for 3000 is only good for 10th?



Methinks they underestimate her.
cerutty fan
9:12 for 3000 is only good for 10th?
DougB
Well I can tell you how I go about it.

In the preseason I identified 100 of the top girls. The intervening weeks have showed that I missed a couple who were deserving, but I started by looking at what all of them have done so far... who they've beaten and who they've lost to.

Although we do gather top times for rankings, I'm more interested in what a top time means historically on that course. Because not everything is exactly 3 miles or 5K, etc.

I took input from the editors of DyeStatCAL and DyeStatIL on how they see the top individuals in the states they cover.

I ordered most everyone by their accomplishments so far -- winning big invitationals, beating other top runners, etc. Some people haven't raced yet and so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and kept them where they were or bumped them down just a few spots.

I look at several criteria. Recent success. Past history. Proven track times. But it's also still an opinion of where things are right now.

I will be honest and say one source I do touch base with is Bill Meylan and his speed ratings (tullyrunners.com). I'm not sure if I believe in them 100 percent, but I sometimes use them to break deadlocks when I feel a few names are more or less equal.

I welcome the questions and hope it leads to worthwhile discussion.
runhappy
Doug, thank you for the explanation. It sounds like you put some good time into this. Over the course of the season, I imagine things get clearer as you gather more data. It will be interesting to see how some of these runners perform at Griak this weekend. Some fast girls in both the Gold and Maroon race.
Chris Nickinson

runhappy, on , said:

Just look at the top 20 on National Milesplit, #6Kettel, #8Hurley, #10Ilse, #13Florsheim, #15Hofstad,#16 Frazier, #18Platek, #19 Endsley. I just looked at 5K and did this quick so there may be an error or two but a bunch are not in your top 30. This is fine if you have another method other than the times (course variation) but just curious.


Which Milesplit lists are you looking at? Their time rankings database or the thought out subjective rankings? Time based rankings for XC are basically pointless.
runhappy
Time based ranking. While I understand courses vary, maybe a bit of a stretch to say the times are pointless? Not looking for an argument, just trying to understand what went into the top 30 if 7 of the top 20 runners with the fastest times are excluded.
DougB

Scott Joerger, on , said:

Surprised that Claire Graves isn't at least on the bubble given that she finished just 4 seconds behind Williams at Woodbridge and 3 seconds behind Ortega at Great Cow.



Actually Graves IS on the bubble. I think this got pushed into the forum just a little before I was done with it.
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Scott Joerger commented on a news article - Jul 14 2014, 09:56 PM
NFHS Lifts Bank on Jewelry effective 2015.
Prohibition of Jewelry Lifted in High School Track and Field Effective with the 2015 high school track and field season, the prohibition of jewelry will be eliminated. This was one of several rules changes recommended by the National Federation of S...
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DontStopPre, on , said:

I assume you're referring to not using video to coach during a meet and also the rule stating coaches can't use walkie talkies or cell phones or the like to communicate with each other during a meet. I never understand why a PV coach texting a sprint coach about what pizzaria to take the team after the meet violates rules lol.


The rule prohibiting the use of video during a meet was repealed last year. It is permitted anywhere on the meet site but may not be used to review an official's decision or to communicate with an athlete during a race or trial (no watching videos while you are running, guys).
DontStopPre

dkap, on , said:


I wonder if this came about because of the near-ubiquitousness of GPS watches and the blurred distinction between equipment and assistance? If that becomes harder to define, then so does the difference between watches and jewelry.

Dan


I assume you're referring to not using video to coach during a meet and also the rule stating coaches can't use walkie talkies or cell phones or the like to communicate with each other during a meet. I never understand why a PV coach texting a sprint coach about what pizzaria to take the team after the meet violates rules lol.
DontStopPre

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

Watches were already legal before this change except in NJ (and if there were other states that prohibited them).

Changing the discus rule to no longer require the thrower to be in control is indeed strange. If the discus why not the shot and the hammer?


Agree. Will we now start to see out of control discus newbies flailing themselves out of the back of the ring thinking that it will help? And why not the same rule for shot putters who spin?

I do believe that some gangly jav thrower or high jumper will eventually get his jav stuck in his necklace or bracelet or wrap his bracelet around a HJ standard but that's between him and his coach ... officials are now finally free from being fashion police and can officiate like they should.
dkap

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

Watches were already legal before this change except in NJ (and if there were other states that prohibited them).


That's what I was saying. ;)

Watches were okay in most states, but outside electronic assistance (or whatever the wording) was generally a no-no. With GPS, watches now fit that bill. It has become much tougher to define what is competition equipment. Admittedly, it's a weak connection between that aspect of watches and jewelry.

Dan
Joe Lanzalotto
Watches were already legal before this change except in NJ (and if there were other states that prohibited them).

Changing the discus rule to no longer require the thrower to be in control is indeed strange. If the discus why not the shot and the hammer?
dkap
Gotta love a rule change that absolutely no one will object to. Well, maybe some coaches of overly expressive athletes.

I wonder if this came about because of the near-ubiquitousness of GPS watches and the blurred distinction between equipment and assistance? If that becomes harder to define, then so does the difference between watches and jewelry.

Dan
DontStopPre

Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:

In theory but each state association can do what they want. For years watches were okay according to the NFHS rulebook but not in New Jersey where the state association regarded them as jewelry.


In Washington state we've never considered watches jewelry (thank god, even though I'm not personally for wearing a watch when racing, but it shouldn't be illegal). I was just curious if xc athletes could start racing in earing, necklaces, Livestrong bracelets, etc in 2014 or 2015.
Mike B
Im curious as to what was the impetus behind changing the rule governing exiting the rear of the discus ring. Seems a strange one.
Joe Lanzalotto

DontStopPre, on , said:

So xc athletes can wear jewelry in 2014 or 2015?


In theory but each state association can do what they want. For years watches were okay according to the NFHS rulebook but not in New Jersey where the state association regarded them as jewelry.
Coach Anthony
Finally! Now if we can just get the NFHS to go ahead and adopt the entire USATF rule book, we can streamline the rules across America :-)
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Scott Joerger commented on a news article - Jun 11 2014, 02:20 PM
I received word from Misana Viltz that he will not be participating due to a conflict with graduation.
Full entries for the 2014 New Balance Nationals Outdoors are located here.  This will also be a live webcast hosted by RunnerSpace. Information on the webcast can be found here.    ...
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I received word from Misana Viltz that he will not be participating due to a conflict with graduation.
 
Scott Joerger commented on a news article - Jun 8 2014, 04:43 AM
Long Beach Poly wins in 3:11.86 for a new US#1!
Results courtesy of Record Timing! CIF State Track and Field Championships - Finals Buchanan High School - Clovis - 6/6/2014 to 6/7/2014 ...
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MatthewXCountry

Scott Joerger, on , said:

The issue is that Dorsey submitted a change in their roster and that change, while submitted on time, did not get into the entries database. The Clerk of the Course did not let the new runner run because they weren't on the roster. Dorsey protested and it was discovered that they did submit the change but the deadline, but it didn't get in the database. By the time all of this was sorted out, the prelims had been run and the 9 finalists were determined.


Do you think there was a better solution to the their lane placement. I think the interference with Westlake likely stemmed from the strange format.
Scott Joerger

MatthewXCountry, on , said:

Can someone explain the Dorsey DQ, protest and ruling. It seems very strange to me that a runner would be ruled ineligible if he was in fact eligible. In addition were they not allowed to run friday and hence why they had to take an extra lane in the final instead of bumping the last qualifier out? It seemed like sticking them waterfall-ed was bound to cause problems (as it did)

The issue is that Dorsey submitted a change in their roster and that change, while submitted on time, did not get into the entries database. The Clerk of the Course did not let the new runner run because they weren't on the roster. Dorsey protested and it was discovered that they did submit the change but the deadline, but it didn't get in the database. By the time all of this was sorted out, the prelims had been run and the 9 finalists were determined.
MatthewXCountry
Can someone explain the Dorsey DQ, protest and ruling. It seems very strange to me that a runner would be ruled ineligible if he was in fact eligible. In addition were they not allowed to run friday and hence why they had to take an extra lane in the final instead of bumping the last qualifier out? It seemed like sticking them waterfall-ed was bound to cause problems (as it did)
Scott Joerger

abell43, on , said:

Can anyone upload the 100 meters boys race?

We are working on uploading all of the races. However, since we are only permitted to show highlights, it will take a bit longer as we need to edit footage of every race. I promise it's on the way!
abell43
Can anyone upload the 100 meters boys race?
Scott Joerger
Long Beach Poly wins in 3:11.86 for a new US#1!
Scott Joerger
So the Dorsey #1 just impeded Westlake #2. Not cool.
Scott Joerger
So if lane 2 stumbles out of the blocks there will be a collusion...I don't like it!
Scott Joerger
Dorsey is being placed out in lane 5 using the waterfall (distance) stagger and they will merge with Westlake in lane 1.
Scott Joerger
Boys 4x400 - 10 teams in 9 lanes as Dorsey won the protest of their DQ.
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